What is the CA18DET capable of?

Pinkfluffybunnys · Post by **Pinkfluffybunnys** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:40 pm

There has been a lot of stuff flying around on the forum as of late about the CA18DET now me being one of those guys that takes any information with a pinch of salt and tequila ,I have started my own enquires through people I have had the pleasure of talking to around the world.

The Intention of this post is to just display what I have found and allow the club members to make up there own minds but I do want to retract my statement to Gary and say that the stock piston can handle way more then I expected.

I have taken cases from around the world with average guys that own and run CA18DET’s everyday month after month. These are not tuner car yes most of the guys tune there own cars but It doesn’t make them tuners. I am waiting on a few guys to reply to me so I will update when I get those replies.

Case Number 1
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Country: Switzerland
Mods:
Stock internals CA18DET (EDM)
Ebay turbo manifold 4-1
Hypergear TR28KAI 17 psi
SSA FMIC (600x30x10)
534cc sard injectors
RB20 MAF
3' exhaust

Power:
354HP (Crank)
420NM (Crank)

Duration:
15 months without problems

Case Number 2
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Country: UK
Mods:
Stock internals CA18DET
(2 x standard headgasket + over-torqued head).
Custom Branch
T70 (Garrett T61) @ 1.7 bar,
510cc injectors,
Fuel Pump

Power:
382rwhp
293.2lbft

Duration:
Un-sure

Case Number 3
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Country: USA
Mods:
1 internally stock CA18DET
SDS EM-3F engine management system
4 MSD 72lb/hr injectors
Walbro 255lph fuel pump
Custom turbo manifold
T3/T04E stage III turbo .60 A/R and .48 exhaust housing
Custom bar and plate intercooler
Greddy Type R BOV
Blitz dual SBC boost controller and turbo timer

Power:
332Whp
237LbFT

Duration:
Almost 2 Years now

Case Number 4
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Country: USA
Mods:
440cc injectors
Nismo FPR
3" Megan Racing turbo-back exhaust
ARC side mount intercooler
GT28R turbo
Walbro 255 lph fuel pum
Greddy Profec B spec II,
custom tune ECU (yaaay romulator)
crappy spark plugs for tuning
Q45 MAF
oh yeah, an AFE cone filter too.
The engine internals top and bottom are completely stock.

Power:
302.9hp
No torque figure from the guy

Duration:
Un-sure

Case Number 4
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Country: USA
Mods:
Stock ca18det
Ka24e Throttle Body
GM Coil packs, Waste Spark Ignition, Custom Dwell Map in ECU
3" O2 Pipe, Full 3" Exhaust with Testpipe
Precision GT3071R dual BB Turbo
Stock airbox with K&N highflow filter
Socketed ECU with custom tune
FMIC 31x4x6
Custom Oil Catch Can
PS & AC Belts removed
N60 MAFS
Nismo FPR @ 55psi

Power:
299whp, 247ft/lbs @ 15psi

Also I would like to add at this point that these guys have never had a crank fail on them also I would like to point out something found on Norris Designs website.

They will sell you the “ND350 Conversion” kit this consists of Mongoose Exhaust

K&N Air Filter
ND Boost Upgrade Kit (This kit comprises of an uprated actuator, colder plugs, silicone hose & adjustable turnbuckle)
ND Boost Gauge
Front Mounted Intercooler
ND Super Hybrid T28 Turbo
Sub Zero Tubular Manifold
Gp A Fuel Pump Kit
SARD Fuel Regulator
Apexi Power FC ECU
50mm Air Flow Meter
ND 444cc Injectors (X 4)

To get your CA18DET to around 350 Crank HP (260WK) around 220Wkw.They also only suggest forged pistons when going for the 430HP (320kw) mark

Now Norries Designs is only one company lets take Horsham Developments they also sell the Stage 3 (290-330bhp) kit consisting of:

Free flow air filter
Free flow exhaust
Boost controller to achieve 17psi boost pressure
Uprated intercooler
T28 hybrid turbo
Uprated fuel pump
444cc injectors from a GTiR (SR20DET engine) or Skyline (RB26DETT engine)
Z32 AFM
Super unleaded fuel (>97 RON)

These are two big name companies in the business that clams they can get you car to 200RWkw Everyday one company clams they can take it way past that on the stock crank and rods up to a point.

Its just a little bit of info use it or don’t use it I’m not going to ge into an argument about this

Pinkfluffybunnys · Post by **Pinkfluffybunnys** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:03 pm

Case Number 6
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Country: USA
Mods:

HKS/Garrett 3037S turbocharger @ 17Psi
Forged Pistons
Forged Rods
HKS filter
FMIC
3 inch Exhiust
Top mount manifold
Custom Tune (Stock ECU)

411Whp

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:15 pm

thank PFB keep posting these. The figures are pretty much in line with what I thought.

Pinkfluffybunnys · Post by **Pinkfluffybunnys** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:24 pm

It seems like I was very wrong about the stock pistons righting them off to early, Most of the guys I’m talking to replace the Rods and pistons after 320HP. I can’t imagine a stock bottom’ed CA at those power levels.

Its not all fun a games, I will admit that the one guy with more then 500HP is running 8400Rpm redlines to use the power band most spool just before 5500Rpm and to use the 270 degreeTomei Cams with 10 lift Yummy

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:27 pm

I wouldnt take the stock pistons more than 200RwKw but rods I have heard are good for 300RwKw. But RAW say they will bend which goes directly with a few other stories of the rods only good for 230RwKw.

I know Duane (calibrator) had that drag 1400 champ with the CA18 at something close to 400RwKw, forged obviously. Dono what was dont to the crank though.

Pinkfluffybunnys · Post by **Pinkfluffybunnys** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:39 pm

Three are 4 champ bakkies , Calibrators one then two close to my area in the 11’s then one I JHB I have heard also in the 11’s .

I know the two in my area are running the stock crank and block with chamfered oil holes for the past 2 years at 400 plus power out-puts when I was last there they where converting the one to methanol havnt been there since

P.S they both still use the stock lifters

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:50 pm

Thanks for the info. much appretiated

RAW · Post by **RAW** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:11 pm

Nice post, amazing what good managment & tuning and non getto parts can do hey?

Very similar to Enthalpy and Rhombus that have got 600whp out of stock SR20's and people getting 600+whp out of stock RB25's. It happens... for how long? any ones guess, but when they go plan on buying a complete new motor because not much is left

Trance101 · Post by **Trance101** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:35 pm

Nice info! Thanks for that Pinkfluffybunnys.

I like hearing of ca18det's making good power. Maybe I just like rooting for the underdog

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:22 am

RAW you talk of gheto...

(2 x standard headgasket + over-torqued head).

Pinkfluffybunnys · Post by **Pinkfluffybunnys** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:04 am

Case Number 7
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Country: FRANCE
Mods:
stock crankshaft
stock camshafts
Stock rods
CP forged pistons
GT2871R turbo with 56 trim and .64 AR exhaust at 18psi of boost
SPEC stage 3+ clutch
TODA 5kg flywheel
SPEC D exhaust 76mm
XSPOWER exhaust manifold
JDM SPORT intercooler kit ( ebay )
SARD 800cc injectors
Z32 afm
Nistune

Power:
350hp at flywheel

Duration:
More then a Year of boosting

Sorry guys still getting cases in from fellow CA owners

Pinkfluffybunnys · Post by **Pinkfluffybunnys** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:09 pm

Case Number 8
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Country: USA
Mods:
CA18det
knife edge stock crank
shot peen stock rods
JE pistons
1200cc RC injectors
57 trim t3/t4 26psi
Ebay waste gate
tial blow off valve
log style manifold
port and polished head
272duration 8.8 lift Tomei intake cam
stock front wheel drive ca18det exhaust cam
Jun adjustable cam gears
ka24 throttle body
Z32 maf
XS power FMIC and 3" exhaust
clutch net stage 1
ka24 tranny
1 intank walbro 255lph

Power:

401hp 342tq this is to the wheels

Used every day.

Trance101 · Post by **Trance101** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:14 pm

Hmm, so not one of these guys have seen it necessary to change the stock crank.