how does the piggy back system work as a pose to stand alone? how beneficial will it be t have a piggy back ecu installed?
Piggy back systems have got to have limitations, can you go bigger injectors with that kind of system?
Stand alone vs piggy back
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Stand alone vs piggy back
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Re: Stand alone vs piggy back
The piggy back chips can be split up in 2 categories, the one that comes already mapped and added on your ecu and then the chip that can be tuned to your specifications like a stand alone(nistune and to my opinion dastek), the ones like nistune use all you standard sensors and allow you to mod them as you please, in essence it is basicly the same as stand alone only limited by the limitations of your mods like bigger turbo, afm, injectors and and and.
A stand alone system replaces all standard functions and replaces the ecu as a whole, everything is now run and modded via the new stand alone ecu, it works off mostly it's own sensors that you need to install with new sensors and wiring ect, but can still use some sensors if compatible, basicly gives you full control of everything. piggy backs like nistune( many argue that it is not a chip or piggy back) is already advanced to a point where you have all the fuctions of a stand alone system.
A stand alone system replaces all standard functions and replaces the ecu as a whole, everything is now run and modded via the new stand alone ecu, it works off mostly it's own sensors that you need to install with new sensors and wiring ect, but can still use some sensors if compatible, basicly gives you full control of everything. piggy backs like nistune( many argue that it is not a chip or piggy back) is already advanced to a point where you have all the fuctions of a stand alone system.
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NIStune is not a piggy back chip. It is a daughterboard, there is a BIG difference.
Daughterboard allows you to change the stock fuel and timing maps. They also allow you to adjust the OEM ECU's safety features and variables as well. Thus you retain complete OEM functionality of your ECU but tuned to match your motor setup spec.
Piggyback intercepts signals (MAF, TPS, etc) and then manipulates it and sends false information to the stock ECU to try and fool it to do what you want.
Stand-alone is obvious, you start the entire process from scratch - maps, safeties, calibrations, etc.
Which is best? Depends what you want/need/can afford.
Daughterboard allows you to change the stock fuel and timing maps. They also allow you to adjust the OEM ECU's safety features and variables as well. Thus you retain complete OEM functionality of your ECU but tuned to match your motor setup spec.
Piggyback intercepts signals (MAF, TPS, etc) and then manipulates it and sends false information to the stock ECU to try and fool it to do what you want.
Stand-alone is obvious, you start the entire process from scratch - maps, safeties, calibrations, etc.
Which is best? Depends what you want/need/can afford.
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Re: Stand alone vs piggy back
well i got a perfect power smt 6 cant afford much more that a diktator so trying to work out whats a better option. And i know i should rather save longer and get nistune but thats still a bit down the road
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Re: Stand alone vs piggy back
phoned a guy from alb performance to find out how much it would cost to fit that perfect power piggy back system and he told me that from experience with a ca18 motor i should just leave it because the motor does not respond well to tuning????? is this true?
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Re: Stand alone vs piggy back
lol he just does not know howmy car is pretty stock most of the power is just from tuning
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Re: Stand alone vs piggy back
is the perfect power piggy back system any good?NIZAN-R wrote:
my car is pretty stock most of the power is just from tuning
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L-O-L.
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Stupidity strikes again.....
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meaning?Enzio wrote:L-O-L.
Stupidity strikes again.....
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You spoke to an idiot.
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My opinion is, phone perfect power themselves, find out the limitations of this product, get to know it and decide whether it will suit you, what I can say is that it will give you more than the standard ecu does and whatever you decide, make sure you get the right people to install and tune a product.
It is always wise to research any product before you buy it and be aware, you will always find many different opinions of anything, sometimes you need to test those opinions to learn and form your own through experience, for every product that 10 say is good, there is 10 that says it's bad, offen bad reviews are based on the product not being utelized right, installed right, tuned right, because of that, a bad opinion is formed about the product for the wrong reasons.
Any engine can be tuned and optimized, there is not such a thing like an engine that does not respond well to tuning, it does come into play if you do it wrong.
It is always wise to research any product before you buy it and be aware, you will always find many different opinions of anything, sometimes you need to test those opinions to learn and form your own through experience, for every product that 10 say is good, there is 10 that says it's bad, offen bad reviews are based on the product not being utelized right, installed right, tuned right, because of that, a bad opinion is formed about the product for the wrong reasons.
Any engine can be tuned and optimized, there is not such a thing like an engine that does not respond well to tuning, it does come into play if you do it wrong.
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Re: Stand alone vs piggy back
thanks for the replies guys appreciate it will phone around and see what will be the best
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Re: Stand alone vs piggy back
so got a call from Garth at Perfect power very helpfull guy suggested i rather go for the SMT8 unit as its got 2 map settings and more features than SMT6
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Re: Stand alone vs piggy back
Just keep in mind, if you take the PP you will be better off letting them install and dyno.
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Since this question comes up SO many times, I think this belongs here.
Everybody should read this: http://nistune.com/docs/NIStune_Mapping_Guide.pdf
The purpose of this document is NOT to say NIStune is the best, because that is simply not true - and the document deals with Nissan ECU's in general and not NIStune daughterboards.
This document simply shows what makes up your car's stock ECU: the number of fuel and timing maps, as well as the various compensations and safeties built in.
The idea is to get you to think of what your new "management" is offering you, and perhaps get you to consider what makes a good ECU and what you require vs. what some random company's marketing machine tells you.
Every option is a compromise. Cost vs Performance vs Reliability.
Happy trails!
Everybody should read this: http://nistune.com/docs/NIStune_Mapping_Guide.pdf
The purpose of this document is NOT to say NIStune is the best, because that is simply not true - and the document deals with Nissan ECU's in general and not NIStune daughterboards.
This document simply shows what makes up your car's stock ECU: the number of fuel and timing maps, as well as the various compensations and safeties built in.
The idea is to get you to think of what your new "management" is offering you, and perhaps get you to consider what makes a good ECU and what you require vs. what some random company's marketing machine tells you.
Every option is a compromise. Cost vs Performance vs Reliability.
Happy trails!
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