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Exhaust Manifolds

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:00 am
by Gary57
Some thing that u should keep in mind when changing exhaust manifolds.

MANIFOLDS
Turbocharger exhaust manifolds play a important roll in the performance of a TurboCharger
Sitting between the cylinder head and the turbocharger of ur engine, the exhaust manifold is more then just a peice of metal that connects ur engine to ur turbo to create boost. The exhaust manifold is a carefully
designed item that has its own unique role to play in transferring heat energy in the most efficient method possible directly to ur turbine wheel.
Changing exhaust manifold in the quest for more power and improved response is a modification path thats only been trodden for the past couple of years. The low cost of fabrication in certain Asian countries gas driven the price of manifolds down so an exhaust manifold swap is something that many more enthusiasts now consider.
There are plenty of tricks and pitfalls when it comes to selecting an upgraded turbocharger manifold however before you go parting with ur hard-earned money you need to know the basics and judge your selection

MATERIAL
Forget about design for a moment as its the material used in turbocharger exhaust manifolds that has the biggest bearing on whether the manifold will be successful or not. living in a unique high temperature environment and capable of rapidly heating up from ambient through to red hot its the exhaust manifold material that takes the biggest buffeting from a durbility viewpoint.
The very best manifold for a turbocharger exhaust manifold is cast iron. Its be en proven time and time over the years and evidenced by the fact that every single turbocharged vehicle manufacturer cast their ehxuat manifolds from iron/steel blends. Another reason for this is that the high production lines that manufacturers undertake also makes casting the manifolds the cheapest and simplest form of production. Cast manifolds are a win on both hands.
Coming in close second is wat is referred to as "steam pipe". These small cast bends and straight sections were originally made for high pressure pipeline industry and come with a neat little ground edge on each end for neat and eazy fabrication.
Being extremely thick walled cast pipe, steam pipe isnt easily affected by heat from welding bends together and once cleaned up on a sanding belt can be heat coated or high temperature painted to look fairly decent. designed to withstand temperatures of 600 degrees celsius on a continouous basis and anything up to 800 degrees it is rare to ever see a steam pipe manifold fall apart or crack due to heat unless its due to poor fabrication and poor welding process. TIG welded properly you will most likely never see a problem with a steam pipe manifold
Stainless steel manifolds although looking good to the naked eye no where near have the strength and durability of cast iron or steam pipe manifolds
then why bother making exhaust manifolds out of stainless steel. the answear is simple: looks sell, a manifold which looks the best must be the best? a properly designed and welded manifold made of Schedule 10, 3mm thick 316 stainless steel will go the distance lasting many years while still looking ok, but this steel has none of the temperature ratings as cast iron and steam pipe.
Rated at a continuous heat of 400 derees and intermittent handeling up to 600 degrees an improperly tuned engine can push the limits of stainless steel to breaking points causing it to crack

DESIGN
For a Daily driven street car where response is most important then oversall power, the shorter the exhuast manifold runers the greater the response and torque the engine will generate. But by making all the runners of equal length will allow all the cylinders to breathe equally therefore less restriction.Reason is retaining heat in the exhaust gas. if heat is losted B4 the gas reaches the turbo the gas contracts and is less effective in pushing the turbine wheel. The thicker and less heat-conductive the material used in the exhaust manifold the greater the potential energy to drive the turbo charger henve the more power you will end up making. Another way of keeping the heat in the system is to ensure that all runners going to the turbine housing as short as possible which gives less potential loss of heat. Any time you see an exhaust manifold glow from heat think of it as a lost opportunity to make power.
So why do some of the most highest performance turbocharger kits come with long sweeping tuned length runners? this comes down to potential management of back pressure. The turbine housing is the biggest restriction in the exhaust system. Regardless of the manifold design the exhaust gas will have to enter the turbine housing threw the turbo flange which is a small hole, hit the turbine wheel/blades and then flow all around the turbine housing. The size of the housinghas very big influence on back pressure.

Cast iron which doesnt look to flash but is king while some of the highly polished stainless steel manifolds have inferior strength and performance. ALL OF THESE POINTS TO SWAPING A TURBOCHARGER EXHAUST MANIFOLD FROM THE CAST IRON ITEM TO SOMETHING FROM AN AFTERMARKET AS A DEFINITE BACKWARDS STEP IF YOU ARE KEEPING THE STANDARD TURBO.

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:14 am
by widowmaker
too much to read - so what is the answer? :lol:

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:19 am
by Gary57
Tubular manifolds yeild more high end power and more low down torque on certain vehicles but dont last as long. The STD log manifold is a huge restricion at high rev but will last forever.

I will be fitting a stainless steel manifold next week some time and will let you know where the differences are, I am hoping for more torque mainly.

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:23 pm
by jon
Thanks Gary

Good, practical info

Thumbs up (really need a smiley for this :D )

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:10 pm
by Draco
That was informitive, I want a bigger turbo but I wonder about the manifold thing, I suppose if you go with a bigger turbo a proper thick mild steel pipe is the best....I think.

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:07 pm
by Vlade
I felt a definite improvement low down, but it could just have been the engine's compression that is up to spec... Only time will tell if that fraking was worth the trouble...

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:25 pm
by Ero_sennin
fraking
mmmm, using that word,
what else do you watch?

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:39 am
by widowmaker
is it from star trek? :shock:

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:19 am
by Vlade
fraking ummm my invention...

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:35 am
by www.MotorCade.co.za
If you use Stainless to make the manifold, there are a few tricks involved in making one that will almost never crack, that I will not tell you guys, but it has been working for us for a long time.

Using cast iron, they tend to crack aswell, and if you then weld it up they just crack again, so that aint really a solution, I've seen red hot Cast iron manifolds and white hot stainless manifolds, you can almost see through the stainless.

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 9:26 am
by widowmaker
ok, in detail : what exactly wont you tell us?

:)

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:12 am
by The Calibrator
"Fraking" Vlade langauge
"Frakking" Battlestar Galactica language

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:55 pm
by widowmaker
all this freaky fraking is making me fricking frustrated :x

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:48 am
by Vlade
The Calibrator wrote:"Frakking" Battlestar Galactica language
Serious? Will check it out, got the episodes from Toby :D

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:37 am
by Draco
Mr. calibrator...what is your expert opinion about manifolds?