Tuning tips

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:39 pm

As we all know, most of us at some stage go full management, some of us tune or need to tune our own cars because we want to or need to, so I think it is time we learn from those who know, so we can start our own path.

If admin wants to, lets start a sticky...

Starting tips:

Cold start: timing advance or retard
fuel

Crusing: timing advance or retard
AFR to look at.

Light load: timing advance or retard
AFR to look at

Under full load: timing advance or retard
AFR to look at

Deceleration: timing
fuel

All those with experience and tricks, feel free to help us understand if, how why to do what and any info you are willing to share.

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:11 pm

I can see a few engines being damaged and all drivablity gone out the window...

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:32 pm

Thats a typical tuners response. Guess they never had to ask around and learn, just woke up one day with all the answers and a sticker that says "Tuning God".

My point being, I don't think the answers are really as easy as Derek may think(not suggesting you think its easy). But whats wrong with people knowing how to do things giving some tips and helping us mere mortals to understand the basics? I personally would love to know the ins and outs. Hell maybe even make minor adjustments.

But this is pretty much a pointless thread as nobody will come to the party

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:54 pm

Danial I hear what you are saying and I felt the same when I first started. Thing is it is something that cannot really be taught but more learned fro trial and error. Besides that most people on this forum dont even fully understand how and internal combustion engine and this is the most critical part of tuning any motor. You need to understand what you are changing and what and how it will effect.

I dont feel what I know should be a secret and I will share with anyone that asks but I wont give someone vague info that they can use to blow up their engine and then say "Gary told me to... and now look what happened".

Most things in tuning can be worked out if you go back to basics, but things like flame speed, ignition timing, injection timing need to be fully understood.

If you guys want to know something, ask... but dont ask how do I tune my car...because that is too vague and I dont have time to write a novel...

Ciao

nirvash · Post by **nirvash** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:56 pm

Daniel wrote:Thats a typical tuners response. Guess they never had to ask around and learn, just woke up one day with all the answers and a sticker that says "Tuning God".

My point being, I don't think the answers are really as easy as Derek may think(not suggesting you think its easy). But whats wrong with people knowing how to do things giving some tips and helping us mere mortals to understand the basics? I personally would love to know the ins and outs. Hell maybe even make minor adjustments.

But this is pretty much a pointless thread as nobody will come to the party

i agree, personally i would like to learn more about it myself but dont think i'd really put it into practice. this could either be a a good thing or very very bad thing, i dont know if its a good idea for people who dont really know what they are doing to be "tuning" their own cars (myself included

)

if any info is posted it could temp people to fiddle.

not saying im against it, just cautious

Enzio · Post by **Enzio** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:01 pm

I agree with Gary on this one, but yes, you have to learn.
So go to Nistune's website and start reading!! They have a shed load of info there to keep you busy for a while - and then you can ask more intelligent questions regarding tuning.

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:13 pm

Thanks Gary, you are definitely right.
It's just frustrating. It, i believe, is definitely not easy and will not be able to be learnt from one thread. Will have to go research on specific tuning sites.

*Edit

what Enzio said

RB25SX · Post by **RB25SX** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:23 pm

First tool u need is a wideband AFR gauge in your car, then a good knock link and a EGT gauge can also help.
Once u have the right tools, start learning.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:16 am

Guys...lets not be daft here...we all know every system, engine and so on is different, still you start with the basics.

Nobody said someone must teach us....in my post I said tips....thats it....we must learn as anybody has....but getting basic tips will help on the way.
Broken engines and what not....as if everybody learning did not take that risk....

Simple...tips like for cold starting....do you advance or retard timing
Tip: advance or retard....thats it, nobody said tell us what the timing should be....or how it works....or the history of tuning....simple basics.

I have spent some time searching google and nowhere do they give all these basics, some here and there, so I thought, we have some guys on here that can help....start a thread and give other guys tips....

So to all that is so negitive, rather not post, you sound like the ones that already left the forum....

For as long as I can remember this forum was about joining people that have a passion for this car and share what you know to help a fellow member, tips, guids...whatever...this was part of the big picture.

Get with it....or dont post.

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:35 am

Simple...tips like for cold starting....do you advance or retard timing

Guys...lets not be daft here...we all know every system, engine and so on is different, still you start with the basics.

You answered your own question... and its not THAT simple. Plenty things need to be concidered...

RB25SX · Post by **RB25SX** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:36 am

Draco wrote:Simple...tips like for cold starting....do you advance or retard timing

My car starts on 14 deg timing, but cold starting is also about sorting out the cold start enrichment and amount of pulses, feul u need to cold start. not the same on all engines.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:38 am

Gary57 wrote:
Simple...tips like for cold starting....do you advance or retard timing

Guys...lets not be daft here...we all know every system, engine and so on is different, still you start with the basics.
You answered your own question... and its not THAT simple. Plenty things need to be concidered...

Thanks for your input.....rather not post thanks.

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:38 am

Derek there is no one tip that works for every engine, so the tip I give you may work for me but not for you...

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:40 am

RB25SX wrote:
Draco wrote:Simple...tips like for cold starting....do you advance or retard timing
My car starts on 14 deg timing, but cold starting is also about sorting out the cold start enrichment and amount of pulses, feul u need to cold start. not the same on all engines.

Thanks RB, helpfull as always.

May I ask, what is the standard timing for an RB engine?

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:44 am

Gary, I understand, but in general, the norm is to ratard or advance timing when you start tuning cold start? The basic starting point, it won't be the same as your car but it starts with the basic....