Nissan 200SX Club - South Africa

Ok before I get started I just want to say that I am not a professional tuner and this is my own opinion.

After spending many hours on Rat's white sx which has a Dicktator management I thourght I would share my views.

Brief History:
Ok the car came in for a dyno tune, I sent it to ABC motorsport (Dicktator agents in Dbn). The dynoed the car and it made 148RwKw, forget the torque but it was decent. Anyway the car was heavy on juice and I simply blame the cheap managment system for being inefficent (I steryotyped). Then the car started backfiring and messing around, which turned out to be a dieing Walbro. Got that right then the car wouldnt start, had a battery drain,etc and was generally just cr@p.

I sent the car back and after 2 weeks they sorted it out. Fetched the car and it was awfully rich, they had redyno tuned it to correct the fueling which they obviously didnt.

Anyway I downloaded the software, plugged the laptop in and went for a drive.

Now the software is very basic to use, I just dont like the map navigation, but maybe its just because I am used to the Wolf3D software.

A few major downsides,

1. Not enough load sites between full vacuum and full boost
2. Tuning every 1500rpm is also kak, I think every 100rpm would be ok but every 500rpm is ideal.
3.It takes 2 hands to do any fine adjustments in the map, difficult to do when driving .
4. Tempreture compensation is at every 20degrees, NOT enough.

Anyway I am not here to state the positive and negetive of the system, there is enough arguements on the net elsewhere. So Ill get straight to the point, once I got it sorted out it actually drives VERY nicely, cold starts are good, makes good power. Now sure with tuning every 1500rpm alot of the map is interpolated so you wont be dead on the timing and it could vary up to 2 degrees.

BUT and this is a BIG but, for the price and the ease of tuning I dont think it is that bad. Rather than spend R3000 on a system and skimping on the price of the dyno tune, get the Tator and find the best person to dyno tune it. The system is only as good as the monkey behind the key board, which most are monkeys. I am not comparing to Motec or Haltec or anything, all I am saying is; Dont scare away from this system because everyone on the internet knocks it. Also dont try say its shit cause it doesnt do this and that, you dont compare a Golf 1 to a BMW 3 series no do you.

After spending this amount of time with it and have been come pretty used to it, its not a bad system not nearly as bad as people say it is. I think it is safe to say for R2000 its a good buy.

I ran a mr Turbo management and ignition and it was fine. Was on a NA car but still it was great.

You tune it every 500rpm.

Only problem with the mr Turbo was that it didn't have a rev limiter so your girlfriend can run into valve bounce if she cant find a gear or something and that the cold startup on those suck.

Once its up and running its great!
I got 94Wkw from a 1800cc 8valve golf. Torque was at 188Nm.

now thats were i disagree guys.i bought the last of the old ones that were R2100 and could run wasted spark.i honestly just bought it because at the time of my sr20det swap i didn't have any more funds left for something decent. i had ALOT of crap with the system and the lack of back up,because there is none! now i am not a fundie with management systems but,doing the wiring was allready a challenge.finding a cas pick up plate that could work in the std cas,after about a month of trying to get it running i had no luck.only fired on 2 pistons.then tried to phone criss dicks and graham susman none of them were able to help me.took my car to a guy that only fits managements to cars,regardless car or management make.he had no luck.eventualy HAD no choice taking my car to dicktator shop in boksburg were the actually assemble and test the units. took criss about half a day and he charged me R750.thats the price on a full install? he never even set anything.cost me R260's petrol from there to contantia driving 60-80km/h.alas i wasn't happy.so ja,i am running dicktator BUT i will never fit this system to any of my cars.it's just to unreliable.and as soon as i have the cash i will fit something else.

Again, you are blaming the system instead of blaming the tuners. Try get back up service for Motes or even Wolf3D, good luck. The system is good, the tuners are cr@p simple.

i just bought a gotech pro for 3500-00.

i also just found out that it only has 3 coil drivers. not enough if i want to run my 4 individual coil packs.

so i emailed louis at gotech yesterday morning (sunday). i asked if it was possible to swap out the unit for the gotech pro TS (which has 4 coil drivers) and can run my 4 individual coils on my SR20det.

he replied first thing this morning and he said that it would be no problem to swap out the systems, and that all i have to do is bring the unit in. he said that i could pull in anytime during office hours to do it. they would also do it at no extra charge!

we also then went back and forth on email asking and answering questions.

as far as i am concerned - this was excellent back up and service - and so far i am smiling!

as for comparisons, it has 32 load sites for each set of revs. so map 1 is from 0-1250 or something, with 32 sites in each range of revs. i think it works out to a load site per 500 rpm or something. so far the system looks nice!

Yeah VC Gotech is good but it not the same price as the Tator.

All I was saying is that guys mustnt shy away from the Dicktator because everyone else says its shit, its not really. Yes it is missing a few features but it does the job set out for it.

yeah i've driven in a few cars with dictator, and i wasnt unimpressed!!!

you're totally right BTW - its 90% up to the guy behind the laptop when it comes to these things running properly!

I bet that I could get this Dicktator running better than a few tuners in Durbs with PP or Gotech or something.

Hi guys, just signed up here.

I don't have an SX yet, but have been doing a little research.

Why don't you guys look into something like NIStune for the ecu's? www dot nistune dot com.
It allows your standard ecu to become fully mappable, and in real time too. And the price appears to be about just over 400 Aus dollars, so about the same price as local standalone systems.

I would like to learn more about that, thanks.

nice website there and it looks like a very nice product.

It seams to be a daughter board so will work like a unichip, you are not really reprogramming the stock ECU but rather fooling it.

This is how I understand it anyway, maybe Im wrong.

It looks like a daughter board like bikirom, its not fooling the stock ecu, but its giving it different map values or rather more map values....

It is a daughter board, but you're not fooling the ecu.

You have to remove the rom chip with all the map info on it and the board plugs in in place of it. The board is what allows you to change the map values in real time.

Its the same as pulling the chip and replacing it with a new chip with different fuel and ign map values, except without all the hassles of having to burn a new chip and open the ecu each time you want to change a value.

Ok yes I see that now.