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Cams or Headwork...

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:17 am
by Phinx
I have to choose between Cams or head work on my up coming head removal...

I cant afford both (end of story).


So what would you guys do?
And why?

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:33 am
by Gary57
What is the extent of the head work you want to do??

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:33 am
by Vlade
cams... been proven with the CA18 head that you don't gain too much by the normal polish & flow...

on the trick side, I also heard that you won't benefit from cams under XXXhp with the CA18 motor...

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:36 am
by veecee
Vlade wrote: XXXhp with the CA18 motor...
sounds sexxxy!!!!

i also say go for cams!

head is quite well cast from factory apparently!!!

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:36 am
by Phinx
Full head work...

Bowl Work, Combustion chamber, CC', Polish of combustion chamber and Exhaust ports.

Cutting of valve guides... Bla , bla, bla..



Cam Cut will be around 9.5 lift and 264 Degree

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:40 am
by Gary57
I would go for head work then, but then full head work which includes lighter valves etc. The cams can be put it at a later date with out removing the head, the head work cant. Also an intake manifold would go a miss.

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:43 am
by 200SX MP
As i understand doing cams on a turbo car is a big no no headwork go for gold cos cams only allow more air to enter and there for u have got the turbo headwork on aturbo is mutch more efective

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:49 am
by Phinx
Lighter valves no then you looking at R 4000, plus you will need to convert to solid lifter just to get really any gains.
The cams can be put it at a later date with out removing the head, the head work cant
Nope not Really, Maybe a genuine set of tommi cams or billets, But I have phone around 30 place's looking for billet cams and I still can find . Tommi you looking at around R 6000 - R 8000 a set imported.
Also an intake manifold would go a miss.
I would love to do an intake, I have something in the pipe line that I hope works out, But I need to use the extra flow plus the is a big drop in low range torque...

Did I mention I'm on a budget around R 6000

Not Attaching you gary, Hope its cool :)

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:54 am
by Phinx
As i understand doing cams on a turbo car is a big no no
Agreed , But not 100% head work will gain but it has been proven over and over again that turbo car gain a lot from cams. As long as the exhaust / reversion pressure can be handled

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:00 pm
by Gary57
Lighter valves no then you looking at R 4000, plus you will need to convert to solid lifter just to get really any gains.
Got confused cause you said
Cutting of valve guides... Bla , bla, bla..
Quote:
The cams can be put it at a later date with out removing the head, the head work cant


Nope not Really, Maybe a genuine set of tommi cams or billets, But I have phone around 30 place's looking for billet cams and I still can find . Tommi you looking at around R 6000 - R 8000 a set imported.
What I meant was you dont have to take the head off to change cams so while the head is off I would do the head work.
Did I mention I'm on a budget around R 6000
This is what we need to know.
Not Attaching you gary, Hope its cool
No Its not cool, you will never live this down :lol: hehe just kidding its all good.

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:20 pm
by The Calibrator
As i understand doing cams on a turbo car is a big no no
Old wives tale.
A set of 264 deg cams will give you between 10 and 20kw gain. Full on head work maybe 5 to 10kw.

Cam's ftw everytime.

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:38 pm
by Gary57
I say sell it and buy an Opel Dammit!
HUH :? ???

Cant you regrind the cams to 264, why do you want to go billet??

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:44 pm
by Phinx
Cant use the stock cams On extended valves.

But What do you guys think of ARP head bolts

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:49 pm
by Gary57
Cant use the stock cams On extended valves.
Extended valves?? Whats that??