Nissan 200SX SR13 For sale-SOLD

Bos · Post by **Bos** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:34 am

Sparco, you need to get a hold of me ASAP dude!!

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:12 am

I can tell you why you've having radiator hoses blow, the car is overheating, its overheating because the visco fan has no cowling and air is just swirling around instead of going through the radiator...

Also if you paid R65k for the car, there should be NO issues with it, as in 0.000 or you got ripped off...

Bos · Post by **Bos** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:22 am

I've had the engine inspected by a top ex audi mechanic that owns a tuning place, he does all the tuning and modding for the porsche club, luckily I know him otherwise I don't think he'd bother looking at an SX.

There's plenty underlying issues that caused all that to happen. I didn't pay that price, but still got ripped, won't say anything more till I can sort it out with sparco privately, don't want things to get outa hand here

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:06 pm

Have you heard the story of my S14? (bet you thought I hung around here for the conversation, but sadly no, I did have and S14 and a S13 once)

1995 S14 with 120k kms on the clock.
Bought for R80k (which at that stage was a hectic premium, you could get a 1997 for 70k) because the paintwork was mint and the interior was mint, the motor seemed fine but smoked a bit on idle which I was assured was turbo seals (this was almost 5 years ago and I had 0 mechanical skills, I had just learnt how to service my golf myself)

Do an oil change, old oil was very VERY thick, put in some nice new edge, bang, bearing knock and smokes to hell and gone.

Not having any mechanical skills, took it to snail conversions, R15k for them to pull the motor and replace ONLY the bearings from the bottom (i.e. no need for new headgasket etc etc) and R4k for a turbo recon at turbo exchange. Less than 1000km later cracked the turbo manifold, had that replaced as well as noisy lifters, another R3000

At that stage we couldnt afford food in order to pay SX repair bills, so I sold it 6 months after buying it for R67k (settlement) So in total I lost R35k on the car in 6 months, in fact I'm still paying off a personal loan for the car...

Bos · Post by **Bos** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:11 pm

cheese & rice bud!
You've got bad luck like crazy, atm I'm going down a similar path :/

Sparco_pro2000 · Post by **Sparco_pro2000** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:06 pm

im second owner to the car... like i said, motors been rebuilt top to bottom... been driving it for 600km before selling it, to run it in. never got hot or anything of that sorts... had 6 guys come and check it out and nothing happend... i will call you later today. the car was sold voetstoots...
even 350z came to have a look and a drive, you and your girls dad had a drive, what happens after that is unfortunately not my problem, but will help out as for as posible

Bos · Post by **Bos** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:28 pm

Like I say, would prefer to keep this private so that no one gets egg on their face.
Forums generally get outa hand when things are public

Bos · Post by **Bos** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:08 pm

Stephan, you could start helping by return all my calls and voice mails dude.

Where did you get the engine built top to bottom? Was there guarantee or something of the sort with it? even those pistons are fried thanks to the silicone sealed water jets on the block.

Riekert · Post by **Riekert** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:10 pm

Bos wrote:Stephan, you could start helping by return all my calls and voice mails dude.

Where did you get the engine built top to bottom? Was there guarantee or something of the sort with it? even those pistons are fried thanks to the silicone sealed water jets on the block.

ouch...

FUEL PERFORMANCE · Post by **FUEL PERFORMANCE** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:42 pm

Yes I did test drive the car,

Went well and sounded fine on the day, the only reason I did not buy it as I had bought 2 others the same week.

As for the buyer, a private used sale is sold voetstoots, even more so on a Performance car like this. So i dont think we need to point fingers at Sparco.

Sparco said he built the motor himself.

Bos I recon you buy my RB20DET and we all happy!!

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:15 am

350Z wrote:As for the buyer, a private used sale is sold voetstoots, even more so on a Performance car like this. So i dont think we need to point fingers at Sparco.

Nope, not that easy, there are more legal avenues than you think, I wouldnt want to be Sparco...

Pinkfluffybunnys · Post by **Pinkfluffybunnys** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:35 am

Vootstoots
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Buying something 'as it stands'

When you buy something voetstoots you buy it 'as is', 'as it stands', 'with all its defects, latent and otherwise' and all its advantages. The seller will not then be liable for defects in the article sold.

It is common for dealers to sell goods voetstoots - although this practice can easily lead to abuse, and the South African Co-ordinating Consumer Council is very critical of the use of this escape hatch by sellers. (See consumer protection.)

Normally, there is a duty on a seller who is a manufacturer of a product or a dealer in that type of product and has publicly professed to having expert knowledge or skill in relation to the product, to indemnify the buyer against loss resulting from latent defects. However, liability for consequential loss may be excluded by agreement between the parties concerned, usually to the detriment of the buyer's common-law rights.

Whenever possible, try to avoid making a voetstoots purchase, although at times you may have no choice. A voetstoots clause does not, however, relieve a seller of liability for any known defects at the time of sale. Indeed, in those circumstances, the seller could face a charge of fraud, but the difficulty lies in the buyer proving the fraud.

If the seller insists on selling voetstoots, try to protect yourself by asking about the condition of the goods being offered. For example, is the motor running? Are there any mechanical, electrical or other faults? In this way, you protect yourself by in terms of a warranty, or a representation, should any defect come to light after the sale. (See fraud.)

If the seller who sells goods which have a latent defect making them unfit for the purpose for which they were bought is unaware of this defect, he or she is protected by a voetstoots clause in the contract. On the other hand, a seller who knows of a latent defect at the time of the sale would not be protected by the voetstoots clause.

A latent (that is, hidden or unseen) defect is one that is not apparent on ordinary careful inspection; a defect that would be apparent on ordinary careful inspection is known as a patent defect, and with such defects the maxim caveat emptor - let the buyer beware - applies.

If the article with a latent defect is wholly unfit for the purpose for which it was bought, you would be entitled to cancel the contract and be repaid the price you paid against redelivery of the article. Otherwise you would be entitled to a reduction in the price equal to the drop in value caused by the defect.

You would have to prove that the defect, on a balance of probabilities, existed at the date of sale. If it revealed itself shortly thereafter, this would normally be a factor in your favour; and if it revealed itself much later, this would as a rule weigh against you. But ultimately every case depends on its own particular facts.

The seller may not necessarily agree to your allegations and demands, in which case you may have to consider instituting legal action.

Buying a car voetstoots

Some second-hand cars, particularly the older models (which are more prone to defects), are sold voetstoots, meaning that they are accepted by buyers as they see them, and that the sellers make no guarantees or representations. However, a voetstoots clause may not be included in a contract governed by the Credit Agreements Act, 1980 (see credit agreements).

If you buy a car on these terms, you will have no grounds for a claim unless the seller knew of a specific defect and deliberately neglected to inform you.

A statement by the seller that a second-hand car is in 'good condition' cannot be taken to mean that it is free of defects.

When selling a car, it is important to ensure that your advertisement contains no untruths. If you advertised your car as being in 'sound mechanical condition' and it is not, you could be liable for the costs of putting the car into a 'sound mechanical condition' should the buyer take you to court.

When you buy a car voetstoots 'as is', it is wise to have it inspected by an expert before you agree on the sale. If you're in doubt, the Automobile Association will, for a fee, inspect the car and supply a written report on its condition.

Remember, too, that a roadworthy certificate is no guarantee against defects. The purpose of the roadworthy inspection is to make sure that the car conforms to regulations as regards its safety, not necessarily its condition.

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