Accidental 1.5Bar boost

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:41 am

Coming from years and years of experience, countless hours researching, trying different combinations, seeing what works and what doesnt, scrapping thoughts and ideas and going back to the drawing board I have come to the conclusion that no, I dont understand how Phinxes head works

But I dont think he was trying to be rude, he's just looking for the paperwork to back up the claims.

I already know how this dance works, you will yak a bit, he will yak a bit, callibrator will yak a bit, you will yak some more, he will yak some more, one or 2 other guys from the forums will yak a little bit inbetween and we'll see if we can get this post to 12 pages......

The shorter route, and I'm sure most will agree, if you have a dyno, post it, if you dont be prepared to get flamed until you do have a dyno. (yes you will still get a few stragglers that will complain even after you post a dyno, but those are the guys that dont understand that a dyno is a tool for measuring increases and shapes or graphs and comparing befores and afters and more importanly, tuning, its not the be all and end all of the "mine is better than yours" arguement) no-one has ever been lynched for being 5 or 10 kw out on the dyno than what they claimed they were.

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:49 am

we'll see if we can get this post to 12 pages......

Lets do it

, never had one of my topics go to much more than 3 pages

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if you have a dyno, post it

Dont have one, only one is 152RwKw but that was before the WOLF, no water/meth and a chop behind the computer

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Oh ja forgot to mention the dyno is about 5-6 metres above see level

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veecee · Post by **veecee** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:55 am

Gary57 wrote:Oh ja forgot to mention the dyno is about 5-6 metres above see level .

for a second there i thought i read "below sea level"!!!

then i had a thought:

if you buy a car in netherlands, and drive it there, do you always get better than manufacturer performance claims - because testing is usually done at sea level???

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:57 am

veecee wrote:if you buy a car in netherlands, and drive it there, do you always get better than manufacturer performance claims - because testing is usually done at sea level???

Classic!

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:59 am

if you buy a car in netherlands, and drive it there, do you always get better than manufacturer performance claims - because testing is usually done at sea level???

Probably but not much I would say, but I was never good at geography so how far below sea level is it again??

for a second there i thought i read "below sea level"!!!

That was at low tide too

. Im not lieing this place was in the harbour and if you went behind the builing you could piss into the water (ok I admit I did it aswell). Got to be the best venue to have a dyno.

veecee · Post by **veecee** » Mon May 28, 2007 12:02 pm

Gary57 wrote:
for a second there i thought i read "below sea level"!!!
That was at low tide too . Im not lieing this place was in the harbour and if you went behind the builing you could piss into the water (ok I admit I did it aswell). Got to be the best venue to have a dyno.

sounds like an excellent place to pick up some...

RUST!!!!

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Mon May 28, 2007 12:03 pm

HEHEHEHE

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Mon May 28, 2007 12:30 pm

.Our cars make more power down here and get progessively faster as we loose weight due to body panels rusting off

veecee · Post by **veecee** » Mon May 28, 2007 12:31 pm

stoopid saltwater!!!!

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:20 am

Gary57 wrote:got a TD04H, its about the same a/r as the T28. ja 180 odd kw is strong, so can u imagine what it was like at 1.5bar, dislex is going to have neck problems with that much torque on high boost.

Tell me more about this TD04H bussiness? How did you get it to fit the manifold? is the flange the same

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:22 am

Oh and what did you run b4 the WOLF to get it to work?

Any other tips and tricks to getting one of these running?

Does it hold boost to redline?

Gary57 · Post by **Gary57** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:13 pm

flange is the same, i ran an imported eeprom in my daughter board with a unichip. u need to modify to wastegate port because the turbo is on the small side for this car. so u will need to get it bored bigger, the lever and button need to bf changed as well. this will prevent the boost creep at high rpm.

qewrty · Post by **qewrty** » Tue May 29, 2007 8:40 pm

Gary57 wrote:seems like it duane .

DICE DICE DICE DICE

The Calibrator · Post by **The Calibrator** » Tue May 29, 2007 9:14 pm

Seeing as this is expected.

Ok Slow down there "Internet tuner" , I wasn't being rude to gary57

You get personal mighty quick young man, just imagine if I took it personally just as quickly where would that leave you?.
If its proof you want why dont you just ask for it instead of telling him he is wrong?
While on that subject why dont you provide proof that what Gary says is impossible.

When some of the moisture behind your ears evaporates you may find that theory and reality are sometimes not exactly the same thing.

Phinx · Post by **Phinx** » Tue May 29, 2007 11:20 pm

I asked Gary what TD04H he had,There are a number of TD04H out there on the market in SA if you both Re-read the posts you will see.
I never said he couldn't make the numbers I asked for proof and if I was proved wrong then fine thats life (you live you learn) . Also "cowboy" If you have the T-shirt post the flow maps yourself and prove him right.

Because I'm searching for the proper flow maps on the TD04H-15T myself, I have been in contact with the UNO turbo guys and the TD04H-13T runs into flow issue on a 1400 Uno so I would like to see flow maps on the 15T.

Also since you have the T-shirt and all the knowledge wouldn't you agree that enlarging the waste-gate would suggest that the stock waste-gate / Exhaust housing wasn't designed to flow that amount of exhaust gas also is Enlarging the waste-gate best practice? (the forum is about advice)

Now as Gary increases boost it going to be possible that he will reach that "flow limit again" on his waste-gate and housing
Suggesting an improperly sized exhaust housing for the application restricting power. Also suggesting the Turbo wasn't designed to push those numbers in the first place because the house will be restricting flow.

Also the amount of heat stress now added to the larger opening and the stress added from process to enlarging that opening could cause the housing to start cracking prematurely .

Look Gary will prove his point, I never said he wouldn't . But now your "Ass -u-ming" again that I did.
And I don't build cars or modify car for a living, But the above are concerning issues in my eyes